EP 2 – Transcript

Jackie:  Good evening, wonderful folk of Holistic Radio. Welcome to *Scribing Journeys* Episode 2. Our topic of conversation this evening is Dr. Masaru Emoto. We’ll be doing a little deep dive with my wonderful co-host, Douglas. Hi, Douglas. How are you?

Douglas:  Hi there, Jackie. I’m looking forward to this.

Jackie:  Me too! I know you’ve got a story to share with us, so I’m excited to hear that. Before we dive into tonight’s episode, I want to give a big thank you to Andy for setting up Holistic Radio and to all the other presenters here. I absolutely love that if I miss a show, I can go to the music files and listen back.

Alright, to start tonight’s topic, I’ll give a brief introduction to Dr. Emoto for those who might not know. But I have a feeling most of our listeners will be familiar with him, and anyone who listens back will know about Dr. Emoto.

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So, who is Dr. Masaru Emoto?

He was born in Yokohama, Japan, on July 22, 1943. He graduated from Yokohama Municipal University with a focus on international relations. In 1992, he received certification from the Open International University as a doctor of alternative medicine.

Subsequently, he was introduced to the concept of micro-cluster water in the US and magnetic resonance analysis technology. My goodness, that’s a mouthful! Thus began his quest to discover the mystery of water. He undertook extensive research on water around the planet, not so much as a scientific researcher but more from the perspective of an original thinker.

Eventually, he realized that water shows its true nature in its frozen crystal form. This is taken directly from Dr. Emoto’s website. Dr. Emoto demonstrated through his study of water and his stunning water crystal photographs that words or music have a direct effect on the molecular structure of water. Since our bodies are mostly water, our thoughts and words not only affect ourselves but also the world around us. His experiments involved exposing water to words or music by either speaking the words, taping them to the container, or playing the music.

I need to take a sip of tea now. He would take a droplet of water, freeze it, and then photograph the ice crystals. Water exposed to negative words or heavy metal music produced irregular, misshapen, muddy crystals, whereas water exposed to positive words or classical music formed beautiful, mandala-like crystals.

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So, what’s the significance of all this? I need to clear my throat.

To quote Dr. Emoto: “It becomes clear when we remember that the adult human body is approximately 70% water and infant bodies are about 90% water. We can be hurt emotionally, and the water in our bodies can be physically altered for the worse by negativity. However, we are always closer to beauty when surrounded by positive thoughts, words, intentions, and ultimately, those vibrations.” When we take a moment to think about it, it’s obvious to those of us who are open that words and music are powerful vibrations. Water reacts to these vibrations.

Right, Douglas, you’ll have to take over for a moment while I clear my throat.

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Douglas:  Alright. Water is very sensitive, and part of the reason behind these crystals is that water is sensitive to forms of energy. Dr. Emoto came up with the basic principle that this energy that water picks up can be measured as a value, or frequency. This affects the quality of the water and the shape of the crystal. We call it wave fluctuations, and it’s sensitive to energy in the universe.

All existing things have HADO, which is transmitted to them. For example, as Jackie mentioned, if you put a label with the word “love” on a vial of water, you get a most amazing, snowflake-like crystal. But if you put a label with the word “fool,” it doesn’t form a proper crystal at all. It just produces a number of circles with no definitive crystal form. This is an area Dr. Emoto decided to research, and he conducted amazing research all over the world.

Jackie:  Can I come back in now? I don’t know what happened there. I think I had a frog in my throat. Sorry for leaving you hanging, Douglas.

Douglas:  Yes, no problem at all. Good thing I had a few notes.

Jackie:  Yes, definitely! Because I was going to ask you a few questions.

Douglas:  I know.

Jackie:  So, I wanted to start our conversation with the time you actually met Dr. Emoto in Kilkenny. Could you tell us about that experience?

Douglas:  Okay. I was down in Cork with friends when someone mentioned that a lady in Kilkenny had heard Dr. Emoto was on a European tour. She sent him a message asking if he would have time to come over to Ireland and Kilkenny for a public lecture. I got very little notice, so I headed over to Kilkenny and joined about 400 other people at the Lyrath Hotel just outside Kilkenny. Dr. Emoto gave us an amazing talk about his research.

I managed to get one of his books signed at the end. He mentioned he was going to visit the Gulf Link Lakes the next morning, so I went along and met up with him. He was a lovely, very quiet man with a great sense of humour. He was wearing a t-shirt that said, “Be happy because that’s a good vibration.”

What he taught us there was really interesting and something I still apply today. I met him, I don’t know, maybe 10 or 15 years ago. He told us that many people go to natural springs or wells around Ireland to fill containers with drinking water because they don’t want chlorinated tap water. But he said that before taking the water, if you’re somewhere where you can put your hand on the water, place your palm on it and say, “Water, I’m sorry. Water, I thank you. Water, I respect you. Water, I love you.” Do this five times because there are five vibrations in water, just like we have five digits on our hands and feet.

Then, when you’re done and about to leave, put your hand on the water again, make that connection, and say, “Water, thank you.” I do this whenever I visit a spring in Roscommon, which is a free-flowing spring. I always do it because I like to connect with the water. It’s kind of a spiritual thing.

Jackie:  Yeah. That water prayer really reminds me of the Hawaiian practice, is it Ho’oponopono? I’m not sure how to pronounce it, but I think it has a similar vibrational frequency, doesn’t it?

Douglas:  Well, yes. It goes back to older practices, like saying grace before dinner. It’s about making a spiritual connection.

Jackie:  And what did you think of Dr. Emoto when you met him? I know you didn’t spend a lot of time with him, but what was he like as a person?

Douglas:  I think he was really a very quiet and shy man, but that hides a lot. His research was immense. He travelled around the world talking about his subject and was connected to the UN. He was actually engaged in a project to educate young people, including primary and secondary school students, about the connection with water. Because we’re water beings, you know?

Jackie:  Mhmm. In today’s world, it’s difficult to find people with alternative thinking through mainstream media or other tools we have. If someone is brand new to this and starts researching Dr. Emoto on Google or Bing, they often come across articles referring to him as a pseudoscientist. How would you rebut this claim?

Douglas:  He’s a scientist who understood the scientific community. But there are different aspects to consider. Many breakthrough ideas can be threatening to other entities, whether commercial or otherwise. Much of the research in universities is funded by big companies that don’t want new ideas disrupting their work, which might take 4 to 10 years to come to fruition. There’s a lot of money involved. I do research on water myself and have faced similar barriers and issues.

Jackie:  Yes, I’m aware of the challenges you’ve encountered.

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Douglas:  For example, with climate change and methane, I have a technology that can reduce methane by 30%. To get it tested and proven, you need to have water going through animals and get them breathing into a machine to test for methane reduction. But first, I’m asked to come up with around $120,000 to pay for a researcher and other expenses. Plus, there’s a scarcity of machines, so getting access is a challenge. And then, if you’re making public claims, research funding can be withdrawn if your work is scrutinized.

Jackie:  Yeah. And we know where that research money is coming from as well. It doesn’t tend to support out-of-the-box thinkers. When you consider it, you start to realize that throughout history, many out-of-the-box thinkers and scientists exploring areas like energy and free energy were not supported because they wouldn’t generate profit for investors. Do you think that’s one reason why Emoto wasn’t respected? I mean, he’s not really respected. He’s just… yeah, well, a scientist.

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Douglas:  When I mentioned Hado earlier, h-a-d-o, that was supposed to be a new medicine and a new way of looking at health. I was a bit surprised when I heard that Dr. Emoto died suddenly. I don’t know the details of his death, but sometimes these things can be traced back to, “We don’t need this person around here. How can we deal with them?” We know that happens a lot in commercial business. These are the problems you can face. I’ve done legal work before, and if you learn project management, you can handle legal issues too. It’s a big challenge. At the moment, with my research, being 72, I’m not too keen on spending the next four years on a PhD-type project that has to be peer-reviewed by, well, who knows who and where they’re coming from and who they’re serving.

Jackie:  Yeah. And how did Emoto’s work influence your own work? Because your work is very much about water and water divining, and even the divining aspect is water-related. How did Emoto influence you?

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Douglas:  Slowly, but interestingly. I have to say it hasn’t really integrated into my mainstream work yet. But doing this show and preparing for it has made me realize that I have five of his books and probably other materials around. I’ve realized I need to get on and actually read the rest of those books. As a water diviner, I deal with earth energies, and hado is another way of looking at this. There are other people besides Emoto who have researched water, and they’ve all faced tough times.

Tough times because they’re coming up with something that upsets the apple cart for university research or commercial establishments. What I’m doing is, if you use a particular water energy, you don’t need chemicals in industry. So, the chemical industry, in general, is very much against what I and my colleagues in Austria are doing.

Jackie:  Yeah.

Douglas:  Because I learned that doing legal work.

Jackie:  We might actually explore that topic in one of our episodes. We could look at natural law and being in the litigation arena. Maybe that would be a good topic, and people might be interested in hearing about it.

Douglas:  I think this is a very large subject. For those who are listening and want to learn more, let us know, and we can have other sessions on the topic. But it’s just general tonight.

Jackie:  Yeah.

Douglas:  Yeah.

Jackie:  We’ll definitely keep that as a topic of conversation because it’s astounding that we don’t have the law of the land acting on the law of the land. But anyway, that’s a topic for another day. We won’t get into it now.

Douglas:  Yeah.

Jackie:  He had a big effect on me. I remember that. I remember you and I sitting down and having many, many conversations over the kitchen table. It’s very important. You know what? Now that I think about it, maybe you could share the books you have on Emoto. Maybe people would be interested in reading them themselves.

Douglas:  They’re in the kitchen. I thought I had them both. I think they’re in the kitchen. But yeah, some of them are here. Hold on, let me see. The pictures in the books have a very profound effect on the viewer. The pictures really tell the story.

If you pick spring water that hasn’t been pumped, it produces very fine crystals. But here’s something for people to know: mains water, which is supposed to be healthy and potable, doesn’t form crystals.

Jackie:  That’s pretty interesting. And, you know, because you mentioned that, what I’d like you to do the next time you’re down is to do a bit of, you know, the way you can read the energy of the water with your rods.

Douglas:  Yeah.

Jackie:  I’d love you to do that for my water.

Douglas:  Yeah, that’s interesting. Just so people know what I’m doing when I read the energy of water: As a water diviner, I can set up a number of glasses of water on a counter. I can put either of my hands against them. The middle of my palm, in Chinese acupuncture, is the “Lao Gong” point, and that’s where the healing energy comes out. You can also use that point to pick up frequencies.

So, I pick up the frequency of the water in the glass, cross the rods over my chest, and say, “Please show me the energy field, the depth of the energy field of this water.” It’s like picking up on your aura or immune system, which is electromagnetic. With the rods in front of me, I then put one photo in front of the other. For mains water, the energy field usually extends about 3 feet. I have to measure my water here because I filter it and treat it with Grander. You’re doing something similar, but you can explain your slightly different process.

Jackie:  Yeah. I have a very different process that’s been hugely influenced by Emoto, which you know.

Douglas:  Just let me finish this bit. Main’s water has an energy field of about a 3-foot radius. Shop-bought mineral water is about 5 feet. Some people have Kanga water machines, and that extends to about 8 feet. Kanga water is known for alkalizing water. Then, each of us, on average, has an energy field extending 10 to 14 feet. I’m an Irish representative for an Austrian company called Grander Water. Using Grander, the energy field extends to 23 feet. My energy field, as a result of drinking that water, is also out to 23 feet. So, water is able to receive energy.

It can be reduced very quickly by pumping it. Can I ask people to visualize something for a second? If you take ice cubes, which are liquid crystalline structural water, and put them in a blender, what do you get? You get slush. You collapse the water’s structure, its immunity, and its ability to self-clean. The Grander device that I sell restores that damage and restores the energy field down to 23 feet. So, these are things we need to become aware of. Hado is another way of measuring everything. Emoto didn’t do this work with HADO himself; he had a number of professionals who used HADO machines.

Jackie:  Yeah. I believe his son has taken up his work. As far as I know, his son has picked up the baton and is continuing his father’s work, which is great.

Douglas:  I didn’t know that, Jackie.

Jackie:  Yeah.

Douglas: I got into Emoto’s work and then other things happened, and I came back to it. It’s just the way things happen.

Jackie:  Yes. Indeed. That’s life. We find something interesting, it holds our attention, something distracts us, and we go, “Oh, what was I researching?”

Douglas:  Little distractions like Covid and bank crises and various other things.

Jackie:  Yeah. Exactly.

Douglas:  If you’re running a business, it makes life difficult. Your mind gets focused on other things.

Jackie:  Indeed. That’s very true.

Douglas:  So, here’s something else for you. Take two tuning forks: one resonates at 440 Hz and the other at 442 Hz. They’re not very different. If you strike the first one or the second one, the other one of the first two will start to resonate and ring as well. However, the third one, at 442 Hz, won’t.

Jackie:  Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s interesting. Now we’re getting into the world of vibrations and energy, and we know they’re basically two different words for the same thing, which is the ether. It’s a word that’s even been taken out of our vocabulary. You know? The ether. It’s very interesting, I think.

Douglas:  Yeah.

Jackie:  You know?

Douglas:  Well, for all of us, we naturally vibrate. And that’s a good story. Human beings getting on the same wavelength—that’s what we’re trying to do here. We’re trying to speak and be heard by other people who resonate with what we’re saying.

Jackie:  One nice thing about Holistic Radio is that we’re all like-minded and on the same path. Like you said last week, it’s like the spokes of a wheel. We’re all coming to the same conclusions through various different paths. I like to call it a crystal—all the various sides of the crystal. You see different perspectives, but it’s all the same. We’re on this journey. You’re healing. Maybe you’re facing traumas you couldn’t before, or you’re learning more about the environment and the role it plays. And I’m not talking about the current narrative regarding climate. It’s really important that we learn to live with nature rather than against it. That’s my feeling on the whole matter.

Douglas:  Well, if you can imagine all the water, we have around us and how important it is to our daily survival, just think of the number of other things that are an important part of our lives, including the technology we’re using for this radio show. Indeed. All of this electromagnetic technology is having a huge impact on the Earth.

Jackie:  Yeah. And the Earth is actually changing its Hertz, its electromagnetic frequency as well. It’s moving. I think that’s got a lot to do with the Age of Aquarius, but the actual Earth’s electromagnetic grid—what we divine, the electromagnetic lines and magnetic lines we work with—those are actually shifting or are shifting at the moment. It’s going to be very interesting in the coming time. I don’t know how long it will take. I came across a titbit of information the other week and didn’t get a chance to read the whole article, but it was really interesting.

Douglas:  Yeah. I got distracted by an article on my computer this morning. I really wanted to read it, but I couldn’t because I had too many other things to do. I hope I can find it.

Jackie:  That’s life, isn’t it? Well, go on.

Douglas:  Yeah. I was just going to ask you a question. You’re the calligrapher, right? And that’s all about words and pictures and colours.

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So, how has the engagement with Emoto affected you and your work with calligraphy?

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Jackie:  You know, this is going to be a very long answer. I hope you’re really nice and patient because, yeah, when I came across Emoto, a big light bulb went off in my head. I was on my own healing journey, and I have been for a long time. I won’t say how long, but long enough, you know? And when I came across Emoto, it could have been over a conversation with you or maybe just before a conversation with you. The timing feels right.

As you know, I’ve explored Mother Nature’s cabinet: Ayurveda, herblore, energetics, natural medicine, quantum fields, and sciences. But water was the one that really caught my attention. I don’t know why, but it did. It really caught my attention, and I think it’s because we naturally know that it’s a finite resource. If we don’t look after it, it’s going to go away. And if it goes away, so will we. Without it, we can’t survive. It’s as simple as that. We all know this innately, but maybe we choose to ignore it.

What really got me thinking was, being an environmentalist, not mainstream but into ecology, I became aware of how much fresh drinking water we waste. We waste it. We throw it down toilets, add chemicals to it, use it to wash and clean machinery and cars. Meanwhile, millions and billions of people struggle to find fresh, clean drinking water. That’s where my interest in water first began.

I remember deep-diving into water, and I think it was over the kitchen table, you and I sat down to watch that movie, *What the Bleep Do We Know?*. Was that it?

Douglas:  Probably.

Jackie:  Yeah. It’s been a long time; I can’t remember.

Douglas:  I read a message about that recently in a book.

Jackie:  Oh, did you?

Douglas:  Yeah.

Jackie:  I remember sitting down and watching that movie with you. It was like a light bulb went off in my head. I realized, especially when I discovered that Emoto had used calligraphy during some of his experiments. He found that when a calligrapher wrote words like “love” and “gratitude,” these positive words had a much stronger effect on the water crystals. The crystals came out even more beautiful.

So, that light bulb went off in my head. I rushed to the studio, got my pen and paper out, wrote the words “love” and “gratitude,” and stuck them on my water jug. I felt as if the water was lighter. It was already light, but it felt even lighter, you know? It felt nicer.

Are you sure you want to hear the rest of this?

Douglas:  Yeah. Go on.

Jackie:  Are you sure?

Douglas:  I’m going to be asking you. I’ve already thought of something I want to ask you.

Jackie:  Oh, have you? Ask me a question.

Douglas:  No, no, no. Just continue with what you were saying, okay?

Jackie:  Okay. Okay.

So, anyway, I put the water label onto my jug, and I was really excited about this because I thought to myself, the whole world should know about this. You know? Why doesn’t the whole world know this? It’s so simple. Everyone could do this—just write the words “love,” “gratitude,” or “happiness,” or “joy,” and put them onto their water jugs or bottles. You know, or just be with the vibrations of the words.

We know from Emoto’s experiments that he either spoke the words to the water, played music to the water, or taped words onto the water. His experiments showed that he could turn toxic water into, well, not clean water, but the molecular structure of the water changed. We saw this through his crystal photography.

I was like, the whole world’s gotta know about this. And I remember—I’m quite camera shy, as you know.

Douglas:  Really? So, your friends let you down?

Jackie:  Yeah. Exactly. So, I remember feeling really excited and thinking, “Oh, yeah, we should do this.” I went to my Facebook page, my Soul Scribe page, and started talking about love and gratitude every month. I even offered to give away these water labels, and not a soul took me up on the offer. I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked. I thought, “What?” Soon after, I discovered that most people probably thought I had two or three heads on the wall. A bit off the wall.

And you know, I discovered, ah, that’s why they called me the Herb Witch. Now I get it. So, did you want to ask me a question, Douglas?

Douglas:  Yeah. You know, we’re talking about fresh, clean drinking water. Recently, you got a filter system and a water revitalizing system from me. But you’ve taken that further. Would you like to talk about that?

Jackie:  Yeah. Indeed. Indeed. So, I always wanted one of your whole-house water systems, but, you know, I was renting, and so on. First, I had to find a way to produce really nice water without taking on the high cost, as it can be quite pricey. Before I got the filter system, I used to pour the water here—it’s really awful. You know, you turn on the tap, and you can literally smell the chemicals. It’s tough to drink straight out of the tap. You can drink it, but it’s not pleasant.

So, I started pouring the water into my big 3-liter jug, which also has two rose crystals in it—crystal rose water. I put the 3 litres of water onto my Grander board and leave it there for about 24 hours because I feel like the water really softens. It completely changes its texture; it becomes so soft and silky. Then, I transfer it from the jug into blue bottles. On these blue bottles, I’ve written words like “love,” “joy,” “happiness,” “gratitude”—all the positive words I could think of.

I leave these blue bottles of water to sit. There’s a reason why they’re blue; I can explain that if you want me to. We know that colour is also a vibration, so when you combine colour and words with what I call the Emoto effect, it really makes a difference. You’ve tasted the water, and a few of my friends have tasted it too. They really like it.

Sometimes it’s even been called magic water because the difference between what comes out of my tap and what you drink from my bottle is like two completely different types of water. You wouldn’t think they come from the same source at all.

So, I was trying to improve the water even more, and now I have the filter system, the treatment, and the Grander system under my sink. But I still use the jug and the SODIS method. SODIS stands for Solar Disinfection. During one of my deep dives into research, I came across this process. I’ll keep it brief, but it’s quite interesting.

SODIS involves using a blue bottle—other colours can be used, but blue is better. You can leave it on your windowsill, indoors or outdoors. In Ireland or the UK, if it’s raining, you can leave it indoors. On sunny days, leave it out for up to 6 hours. On cloudy days, it’s up to 48 hours.

If you’re using revitalized or restructured water, you might notice algae growing in the bottle because the water is alive—it’s a living, breathing thing. This is why it’s important not to leave the bottle on the windowsill for too long. Remove it and store it somewhere else. You can pop it in the fridge if you like cold water, though cold water isn’t ideal for the body.

The heat and ultraviolet radiation from the sun kill any remaining bacteria and other impurities, leaving you with clean drinking water. It’s a long process, and it might take a couple of weeks to get into a routine. I use four blue bottles, continuously turning them over. As soon as one bottle is empty, I refill it from the jug and put it back on the windowsill.

So, that’s my process, Douglas.

Douglas:  Well, I know that anytime I visit you, I have to remind myself which bottles I can use.

Jackie:  Yeah. I know. That one. Right. So, yeah. Oh, and I actually decided to do something I’m not sure what inspired me. Maybe I was reading Emoto or maybe I was inscribing because I use inspirational and motivational quotes to practice my calligraphy. I think I might have chosen Emoto’s famous quote. Let me see if I can find it and read it back to you. Just give me one sec. See if I can find it. Yeah.

“Words are vibration. Therefore, beautiful words create beautiful nature. Ugly words create ugly nature. This is the root of the universe.”

I think that’s what inspired me to create a different water label. This one is utterly inspired by Emoto, where I used symbolism. From wall art, rock art, and history, we know how important symbolism is. So, I got the symbol for love and the symbol for gratitude and merged them. I came up with a symbol for love and gratitude. Then I wrote the words “love” and “gratitude” and created a blue label with those symbols. I bet you’re sorry you asked me, Douglas.

Douglas:  That’s fine. That’s fine. But you’ve gone one step further because, you know, I have a coffee mug that’s insulated on the inside and things like that. So, you’ve got a range of mugs, glasses, and bags with “love” and “gratitude” on them.

Jackie:  Yeah. Thanks for the plug, Douglas. Yes, I do.

Douglas:  Yeah. Yeah. But speaking of plugs, if anybody’s interested, where can they get them from, or how do they go about getting them?

Jackie:  From my website. And if it’s okay with Andy, I might send the link in a minute. So, I designed a “Love and Gratitude” range. It’s actually drinkware. I looked into getting copper, but it was becoming too expensive, so I settled on insulated stainless steel. That’s my “Love and Gratitude” range. Thanks. I appreciate that. I’m happy now.

Douglas:  No, they’re very nice. And, you know, that’s an entry point for people to get into.

Jackie:  Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking, Douglas, and if it’s okay with you, looking back on our conversation, I know we’ve gone all over the place. We didn’t really stick to Emoto, but that’s fine too.

Douglas:  It was only really meant to be an introduction.

Jackie:  Yeah. It was. So, I was thinking, we were talking about water divining earlier. How about we do an introduction to water divining for next week? It would give people an idea of how easy it is to actually divine for water because we can all do it. What do you think?

Douglas:  Well, it’s an interesting thing. I was actually making some notes about introductory courses just before this evening.

Jackie:  Oh, fab.

Douglas:  When I teach groups of people an introduction to water divining, I normally find an old church—disused church—because all churches were built by builders or what we call masons. They were built on certain principles, which eventually led to the Masonic order, but I’m not going down that rabbit hole. They’re built on water lines and some magnetic lines. I’m trying to put together a digital course compared to just a physical course to teach people how to connect with the energy using brass brazing rods. These are long metal rods with right angles. It’s about allowing yourself to connect with nature; it’s kind of a spiritual thing in a way.

Jackie:  It is, in a way. Yeah. It is in a way. I find it fascinating because, no matter how you look at it—whether you want to take a very logical approach or a lateral one, whether you come from quantum sciences or whatever perspective you choose—it’s all very holistic. It’s about looking at the whole picture, not just one part of it. So, yes, it can be a spiritual journey if that’s the approach you want to take.

Douglas:  To learn the art of divining, which is very easily done—if you’re a human being in good physical order, you can do it. When I’m teaching people in the churches, I’m waking up this muscle, so to speak, and providing people with a gateway into nature. Once you’ve learned it, you can’t forget it.

In the church, it’s a matter of crisscrossing the central waterline and allowing the rods to react. Many churches have windows, so if you have a window, there’s usually one on the opposite side. That marks another water line crossing the big line in the middle, so to speak, up the nave. Where the two lines cross, you get a vortex of energy—a circular movement. You know, most of us have seen water going down the plughole with the Coriolis effect. But there are other energies in the churches, and I won’t go into all the details here.

Jackie:  I have that down as a topic to discuss. I think there will be a lot of people interested in learning more about that. But for next week, we’ll just do an introduction. We won’t go too deep into it because we can explore other subjects later. Otherwise, we’d end up with a show as long as one of our dinner table chats, which go on for hours.

Douglas:  Yeah. Once people have learned the basics in the church, I get them out into the surrounding land to pick up on things happening there. On Monday, I was teaching the managing director of an environmental company. Anytime we said something simple, he’d say, “Oh, I could use this in geotechnical research.” I told him to stick with the basics and treat it as a spiritual thing—leave the business side for later.

I also teach people how to identify the earth energies or geo-stress energies going through their houses, how to correct them, and basically remove them so they get a much gentler environment. That’s an important clue.

Learning divining is taught in classes and has a cost, but the long-term outcome is that you can become a practitioner, helping others. Some water lines can disturb your health, cause disease, or even be fatal.

Jackie:  Yeah, we touched on that last week. So, we’ll definitely dive deeper into that topic.

Douglas:  Yeah. Okay. Happy to do that.

Jackie:  Excellent. Excellent. Well, we’ve got our topic for next week now—an introduction to water divining.

Douglas:  Yep. Okay.

Jackie: So, I think we’re coming up to our hour. I’m not sure, Andy, are we?

Andy:   No. There’s no one coming on after you guys, so you can carry on if you wish.

Jackie:  Oh, you can join in as well if you want.

Andy:   It’s a very fascinating subject. I came across Dr. Emoto’s work probably in 2011 or 2012, around the time I was deep into my rabbit hole phase. It occurred to me that whether you believe it or not, there are certain things you can do, like putting the words “love” or “happiness” on the side of a water container. Regardless of whether you think it works or not is irrelevant. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter. But by doing it, at least you’re not losing out.

Jackie:  Very true. Very true. That’s the way I look at it. You don’t have to believe for it to work because it’s going to work anyway. It’s natural. It’s part of our world.

Andy:   You’re not going to harm yourself if you do it. And if you don’t believe it works, it doesn’t matter because what have you got to lose?

Jackie:  Yeah. Exactly. What do you have to lose?

Douglas:  Well, that’s where I think companies have to be very careful with the names of their organizations and their logos.

Jackie:  Mhmm. Yeah. Symbolism. We could actually cover symbolism as an episode. There’s a piece coming to mind as I say that. And I think, again, when people listen back to this, they can give their opinion on whether they’d like us to explore symbolism. I’m thinking about the piece I did on the goddess Danu and her journey. Maybe we could do that as an episode as well because symbolism is so important, especially with things like spirals. There are so many interpretations of spirals, and they’re all over the world. So, if you’d like to do that as a subject or if anyone’s interested, let us know.

Douglas:  I’m trying—it’s very hard to find the time—but I’m trying to understand and interpret more of the rock art symbols. With the water divining and all that other stuff I do, it would be nice to be able to go somewhere and read or interpret these carvings.

Jackie:  Mhmm. Yeah. It’s all down to interpretation. I came alive when I discovered the rock art in Knockroe, wasn’t it? Yeah, that’s right. I was jumping all over the place. Suddenly, the energy was back.

Douglas:  Yeah. There’s much more going on at that site than just the engravings.

Jackie:  I think, on that note, we should wrap the show up. So, would you like to say anything before we finish?

Douglas:  No, I’m fine with that.

Jackie:  Okay. Cool.

Andy:   Let me put my glasses on so I can see I’m pressing the right button.

Jackie:  Brilliant. Okay.

Andy:   Right. So, I’m about to stop the recording. Any final words?

Jackie:  Well, thank you to everyone for listening today. Thanks for coming along. I really appreciate it, and Douglas really appreciates it. If you’re listening back on this, please leave your comments so we know we’re heading in the right direction. And if there’s a particular subject or topic, you’d like us to cover, please let us know. Thank you.

Andy:   Just a quick note for a future show, before I stop the recording—since you mentioned it, water has a memory.

Jackie:  Yes, it does.

Andy:   Maybe you could explore that in further episodes?

Jackie:  Absolutely. It was actually one of the notes I had here—water has memory. I don’t know what happened to me. I think I’ve got a frog in my throat or something. But absolutely, 100%. Yes. I’d love to do an episode on water having memory.

Andy:   I’m going to stop the recording then. Just give me a second. Let me press stop.