EP 1 – transcript

Transcript

Jackie: Good evening, wonderful folks of Holistic Radio. Welcome to Scribing Journeys episode 1. Before we dive in, I’d like to give a big thank you to Andy for setting up Holistic Radio and to all the other presenters here. I really enjoy this station. I’ve been listening for a few months now and try to tune in live when I can. When I can’t, it’s great that I can catch up on missed shows through the media files.

After a few weeks of deliberation, I decided to step out of my shadow, take up the baton, and present a show with my co-host, Douglas, who I think you’ll all find very interesting. But before I introduce Douglas, let me tell you a bit about myself. My name is Jagdeep Sahans, but you can call me Jackie. There’s a story behind the name Jackie, but I’ll save that for another day.

I’m a calligrapher living in New Ross, County Wexford, Ireland. I’m of Indian descent, born outside of India, and I’ve been living in Ireland for around 30 years. I’m not the best at talking about myself, so now I’ll introduce Douglas. I’ll give you a brief overview of him, and then he can tell you more about himself in a bit.

Douglas is a natural scientist, a diviner, and an entrepreneur. His business is called Quest Utility Services, where he provides water treatment and energy-saving solutions. So, without further ado, hello, Douglas.

Douglas: Hi, Jackie. Good to hear you.

Jackie: Thanks, and you too. Glad you made it.

Douglas: I’m ready and waiting.

Jackie: Great! I know you fairly well—I’ve known you for a few years and know a bit about your background. I know you were born in Belfast and now live in lovely Leitrim. So, for everyone else to get to know you a bit better, could you tell us how you ended up living in Leitrim?

Douglas: Well, it all started in Belfast. I was the youngest of a family of five siblings. We lived in a nice part of Belfast, and life was good. I went to primary school there, but my mother had emotional issues stemming from things that had happened in her life—shaggy dog story stuff. Unfortunately, she covered that with alcohol.

My father, trying to cope with the situation, sent all of us to school down in Dublin, and I never really got back to Belfast. I’ve always felt like a stranger when I’ve gone back there. I attended both primary and secondary school in Dublin, at Saint Columba’s up in the Dublin mountains.

It was during college that I discovered my interest in geology. I was a cross-country runner and came across a stream where I saw a stone with white markings on it. I picked it up, brought it back to school, and cracked it open with a hammer. To my surprise, it had all sorts of tissue markings in it. I showed it to a teacher, asked what it was, and he told me it was a fossil. I didn’t know what a fossil was at the time.

I researched it further and became interested in geology. I’m self-taught in geology and took the Trinity matriculation exams, receiving an honours distinction in geology. I also did the Leaving Certificate. While in college, I struggled with reading textbooks in very fine print—big, heavy books. It wasn’t until later, when my son was at school, that I discovered I had dyslexia, or as I prefer to call it, right-brained thinking.

So, I shifted from geology to geography and majored in hydrology. During college, I met a wonderful girl, and later we got married and had kids. That chapter came to an end after 22 years. I was finishing a diploma in business studies from DIT and had gone to a summer school in Longford, in Lanesborough, sponsored by the ESB. It was a small-town, one-horse place beside water—I like being near water.

I spent ten years there until the landlord decided to sell the house to put his son through college. At the same time, Centre Parcs was being built, and there weren’t any affordable rentals in the local area. I ended up looking around Leitrim, found a nice house to rent in Mohill, and set up my business here. I have a workshop in the enterprise centre, and life’s good. So that’s the story. Here I am in Leitrim.

Jackie: Here you are in Leitrim. I think I met you when you were living in Longford.

Douglas: Yes.

Jackie: If memory serves me right, we met about 15 years ago at a construction exhibition at the RDS in Dublin.

Douglas: Yep. That’s right.

Jackie: I remember going up and down the aisles at the exhibition, checking out all the stands. I came across a stall showcasing wind farms—this was before they arrived in Ireland—and I was really disappointed. I thought to myself, “That’s not the way to do it.”

Then, as I walked around the corner, there you were with your stand. It was like meeting an old friend I hadn’t seen in years. Do you remember that, Douglas?

Douglas: Yes, I do. That’s what you call clicking.

Jackie: Exactly. So, I know your whole business is about water and energy, but not many people really understand that story. Could you tell us a bit about it?

Douglas: Sure. My interest in rocks and water led me to this vocation. One of my first jobs in the Republic was with a Swedish company, Atlas Copco, where I was the manager of the rock drilling division. They supplied compressors and other industrial products. I had a good interview because I could talk the talk needed for selling equipment to mining companies and others who used rock drilling equipment.

One experience that stands out was when I was selling drill bits to a well driller in Galway. He was on a site where the engineer had told him to drill in a specific field, a hollow area, for water. I knew that hollow indicated there might be a cavern below. At 400 feet, we had nothing but dust. The driller decided to test the field for a potential water supply instead of drilling where the engineer suggested.

This was my introduction to divining. The driller used a nylon tube wrapped with insulation tape, similar to the hazel twig used in traditional divining. We tested five sites around the field and found the strongest one. We hit a large water supply at 100 feet.

Later, I met Con Connors, who ran a heritage awareness group in Dublin. He introduced me to divining with right-angle rods. I got really into it, helped Con set up a Druid school, and taught others about Druidry, divining, and visiting sacred sites.

Eventually, I decided to focus on the water treatment business, specifically non-chemical water treatment. I met Mark Attwood at his show and trained him in divining at Lough Key Forest Park. And then he set up a group with Tim Meehan, and we trained them as well. Once you train somebody, you need to set up activities. So, we organize monthly field trips to sites around the country—ancient sites, churches, and other places of interest.

Jackie: It’s great when we go off to a site and do some divining and mapping, isn’t it?

Douglas: Yes, for those who are experienced, it’s something they know what to expect. But for newcomers, I tell them it’s a gateway into nature. It teaches you to engage with the natural energies that drive everything. It’s a fascinating skill—the art of water divining or just divining in general.

Jackie: Indeed, it is. And the lovely thing is that we all possess it. Every single one of us.

Douglas: Oh, yes. If you’re human, you can do it. I’ve met some engineers who think it’s all a bit woo-woo, so they block it out with scepticism, which is a pity. But usually, I can win them over.

Jackie: That kind of leads me to my next question. What’s the story behind your interest in divining? I know you enjoy imparting your knowledge and sharing it with learners. You have a deep interest in understanding earth energies and how to divine. For example, you did a workshop recently in Carrickmore, where you discovered something interesting. Isn’t that, right?

Douglas: Yes. Carrickmore is a megalithic cemetery with a very large number of tombs. The Sligo area has more than 50 of these sites. In total, there are about 250 megalithic sites around Ireland.

Jackie: 250?

Douglas: Yes, around 250 tomb sites. About 150 of them are in the Sligo-Roscommon general area.

Jackie: That’s the real reason you moved to Leitrim, isn’t it?

Douglas: It’s convenient.

Jackie: You’re about an hour away from all of that. I was thinking the other day about how there’s such a concentration of sacred sites in and around where you live. You could be exploring and divining every single day.

Douglas: Oh, absolutely. I love it. It’s all part of my research. If I wasn’t working in the water treatment business and was officially retired, I’d still be working. I’m retired but still active.

Jackie: Right.

Douglas: My hobby is exploring these sites because I’m trying to understand what life was like 5 or 6 thousand years ago, or even more, and what knowledge people had and how they used it. The people who built these monuments actually came from the Middle East.

Jackie: Yes.

Douglas: They would have come from the Tigris or Euphrates, the golden veil or whatever it’s called. They had advanced knowledge, understanding the vibrations that come from stones.

Jackie: You’re touching on one of my interests—one of my passions—which is the journey of humanity and how we populated the earth. You mentioned that the first peoples of Ireland came from the Euphrates. There are several theories about how Ireland was populated. The newest one I’ve come across, and I need to examine it from every perspective, involves the Atlanteans.

We know from geology that there was a great catastrophe where the world flooded, submerging vast amounts of land underwater. Atlantis is thought to be one of those submerged lands, and some theories now suggest that it might be what we now know as Hibernia. Ireland is quite large, and we only see a small part of it.

The theory I’m exploring suggests that survivors from Atlantis, which some say were the Phoenicians, might have arrived in Ireland, possibly landing at the top of a mountain or plateau. It’s just a theory, but it’s fascinating. Some people believe these Atlanteans, or Phoenicians, are the original inhabitants of Ireland.

That said, I also think there were people here before them—survivors who would have been living on the land that is now called Ireland.

Douglas: Mhmm.

Jackie: But that’s just my theory, and I’m digressing from your story.

Douglas: I know you are.

Jackie: Sorry.

Douglas: That’s okay. That’s okay.

Jackie: It’s just like us sitting at the kitchen table, really. Isn’t it?

Douglas: Well, you have to consider that during the Ice Age, which ended about 10,000 years ago, the sea levels were around 140 meters below where they are now.

Jackie: Mhmm.

Douglas: This created land bridges. Also, islands would have appeared off the Porcupine Bank, which is to the west of Ireland. Sometimes, there’s reference to High Brazil.

Jackie: Oh, High Brazil. Sorry. Not High Hibernia. Ireland would have been called Hibernia. That’s right. High Brazil. Sorry.

Douglas: Yes. The Romans didn’t like it because it was cold. Well, after this summer, you can understand what they meant. But there are a number of things coming up, and we’re expanding the acceptance of different ideas. As a geologist, we have to deal with hard facts to piece things together. In terms of glaciology, we must tread carefully when making assumptions or stories about what happened. It’s a matter of obtaining evidence to build confidence.

But can I go back to Carrowmore? You asked about it.

Jackie: Yes. Yes. Yes.

Douglas: I do reconnaissance before any event. We have monthly events, and I need to ensure I know what we’ll be looking at. I also need to check for facilities like toilets, places to eat, and parking. Back in April, I was at Tara Hill and had a map from a diviner who’s sadly no longer with us, Michael Pointer. He’d created a very good map showing an energy line going from Anglesey across Ireland up to the Atlantic in County Sligo.

I thought I’d go looking for it. He mentioned it went through Loch Ree, Carrowmore, and up through Knocknarea Hill, where Queen Maeve’s grave is. I was delighted when my rods started reacting. Normally, I pick up an energy line that’s about a meter or so wide. But this one was, let me convert that—about 40 feet wide. My math isn’t great, so I’m not sure exactly, but it was quite substantial.

Jackie: 13. 13.

Douglas: Okay. Okay.

Jackie: Asking me to do mathematics. Oh my gosh.

Douglas: No. When I’m doing a radio show, my mathematical faculties don’t work very well.

Jackie: Neither do mine. I was using a calculator.

Douglas: Yeah. I think we both have a bit of dyslexia in our lives.

Jackie: We do indeed. Go on.

Douglas: That’s what happens when you’re creative. So, this was very wide. It wasn’t a regular energy line—small stuff that we diviners normally look for. I looked across to the west, and there was an alignment with Mount Narre Hill and Queen Maeve’s tomb.

When I was there last Sunday, we were trying to map each of the many tombs. We walked up a hill, and suddenly, poof—the rods reacted. We picked up the whole thing, and it was going across a couple of smaller tombs and then working its way up to Knocknarea Hill.

Another exciting find was that, typically, with regular tombs or passage graves, you have crossing water lines. Where they cross in the middle, you get a spiral of energy. This kind of animates the site. If you visualize any structure, a water line comes in, creates a vortex in the centre, and then exits on the other side. You can map those, and there will be something at 90 degrees to it. Sometimes there are more water lines, but that complicates the discussion.

Jackie: Yeah. And there’s something about vortexes. Sorry, Douglas. I just want to ask you this question because you’ve mentioned vortexes, and not everyone would understand what a vortex is and what kind of effect it might have on your body or spirit, depending on your perspective. Could you elaborate a little more on vortexes and how they can affect you?

Douglas: Alright. I provide another service called house energy clearing.

It’s not about electricity or anything like that. When I say “energy,” I’m referring to something different. If you expose the underside of your wrist, you can see all your veins. Similarly, there are water lines in the ground, usually 5 to 10 feet down. If these water lines run through your house, they can cause discomfort because they create an energy field.

It’s a bit like sitting in a room or lying in bed with a draft. You wouldn’t like that—it would make you uncomfortable. Similarly, an energy field, a magnetic field, comes off the water line and can disrupt the way the mitochondria in every cell in your body function.

Jackie: And that can actually make you quite sick, can’t it? I mean, it can lead to all kinds of diseases. Isn’t that, right? Also, there’s something about the direction of a vortex—whether it’s going clockwise or anticlockwise. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s also something about lying on a water line. The energy you receive from these magnetic lines running underneath the earth can be quite powerful, right?

Douglas: Yes, that’s right. Just like you have veins and arteries in your body distributing essential energies, the earth has similar systems. These water lines can create an uneasy energy that we react to. For example, when I was running a divining course on a farm, I had participants stand in two specific places and tell me how they felt. They reported discomfort, dizziness, or feeling “off.” For those who don’t understand this, living with these energy lines can be unsettling.

Sadly, I was at the funeral of a very good friend last year. After the funeral, I went to check with the husband and divined his house. I found a 10-foot-wide stream of energy running through it. This “stream” is a wet zone where all the molecules are passing through, creating a strong energy field. It’s very difficult to escape from such a wide line because it essentially covers the footprint of the house.

Jackie: Yeah.

Douglas: You can fix those issues. So, I map a house and generally teach the homeowner basic divining so they can participate and check things later on. When there’s an energy line, like a water line or a magnetic line coming into and through the house, I go outside and place a copper ring that nullifies that energy.

Jackie: And do your divining rods show that?

Douglas: Oh, yeah.

Jackie: If you divine the area, obviously, they’ll show something. And then, when you place the copper down, do your divining rods indicate that the energy has been neutralized?

Douglas: When I’m mapping, I focus on detecting water lines by generating a specific frequency to match the water line. My rods react to that frequency and cross over. After mapping the house outside, I go inside and check where people sit or sleep. I place the copper rings outside in specific locations, then go back inside, and the water lines can no longer be detected. It’s quite effective.

Jackie: That’s excellent!

Douglas: It usually takes about two hours. Some houses are very complex, which can take up to seven hours. I generally charge around €150 for the service. The feedback I get from people is great—they often say they’ve never slept so well or that the energy in the garden feels fantastic. There was one lady in Dublin who was seriously considering selling her house. We spent seven hours working on it because her kids and she were being affected by the energies.

Jackie: She wasn’t well, was she, Douglas?

Douglas: No, she had an autoimmune disease. When I went back three months later, I noticed the kitchen was being painted. I asked if she was selling the house, and she said no, they were staying. So, it definitely works.

Jackie: And she’s feeling better as well.

Douglas: Yes, and her kids don’t wake up in the middle of the night and come into the parents’ bedroom.

Jackie: It just goes to show how powerful those energy lines and water lines can be. I know from sitting on, was it Queen Maeve’s tomb? Is that where we went?

Douglas: Yes, that’s right.

Jackie: And there was a big flat stone there. I sat on the stone and meditated, and the meditation was unlike anything I had ever experienced before. Vibrant is the only word I can think of. I was vibrating from top to bottom. You mentioned something the other day about the spot I was sitting on, because this all has to do with energy lines. There was a vortex under me, wasn’t there?

Douglas: There was a vortex, but what’s interesting about that stone is that normally you have crossing energy lines or water lines at different levels. The same is true for the tombs at Carrowmore. However, in this particular case, it seemed that the energy was coming up from below and moving to one side only, away from Queen Maeve’s tomb or the cairn. It was going toward another smaller cairn where many stones had been removed. The energy lines coming out were in one direction only.

Jackie: That’s unusual. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt.

Douglas: Oh, no problem. I’ve come across many interesting things. For example, people set up rocks to beam energy toward a centre elsewhere. This can be seen at sites like Rathcroghan in Tulsk, Roscommon. The builders of these monuments had a lot of scientific knowledge, though in ways we don’t fully understand. As a scientist, I’m always fascinated by how these people from 5,000, 6,000, or even 7,000 years ago managed to construct such sophisticated structures.

Jackie: Yes, it’s really fascinating. This is where we connect, during our conversations, even though we’re not across the kitchen table today.

Douglas: No, there’s quite a distance between Mohill and Wexford.

Jackie: Indeed.

Douglas: Also, if you’ve read a book or two about the Aborigines or native Africans, you’d find they had a very good use of telepathy. We’re all connected, though we’ve lost much of that connection over time.

Jackie: Absolutely. We have. Understanding how energy and vibrations work doesn’t require you to be super intelligent. It’s conceivable that the pre-civilization, the civilization that existed before us, had the technology to generate energy for lighting houses, sanitation, and transportation. As long as you’re open-minded and open-hearted, there’s a lot our ancestors could teach us. I believe this information has been kept from us.

We’ve always known how powerful we are. Once we connect with the Earth’s energy and everything around us, we become incredibly powerful. I think one of the reasons we don’t know our ancestors’ stories about energy lines or free energy is that this knowledge has been suppressed. That’s where your work comes in.

It really interests me. I find it fascinating how, when we visit a site—you know, I haven’t been to one of your workshops, but we’ve been divining together for years—when we discover a vortex, it’s amazing. Do you remember when I first moved to New Ross about 10 or 11 years ago and found what I thought was just a small patch of woods? It turned out to have a huge vortex at the top of it. Do you remember?

Douglas: Yes, I remember. Divining is a gateway to nature. I think that’s important.

I was just watching a video about Tesla recently, which discussed light frequency and other vibrations. When you get a toroidal effect—a donut-shaped energy field, for those who don’t know—there’s a template in the centre of that vortex to create matter. Humans are toroidal structures, and so are apples, and so on.

Jackie: So, they’re called the creators.

Douglas: Yes. But we’re also living in an environment full of various frequencies.

Jackie: Indeed.

Douglas: That’s our existence. It’s a good idea, while we have this short time here, to try to make sense of it. The people from long ago left legacies that we often think, wow, they had some understanding that we haven’t fully grasped. It’s coming back in very interesting ways, but it requires time. For instance, when I was at St. Canice’s Cathedral in Kilkenny, I tried to explain to some of the members who guide tourists around about the water lines and other things going on. Their reaction was, “We’ve never been told about this.”

And I said, “Yes, you’ve been kept in the dark.”

Jackie: Of course. You know what I mean? We can keep this topic for another episode, but you can look at church architecture. We understand a lot about it. There’s a lot that goes into cathedrals, churches, and other buildings of power—how they’re built, why they’re built where they are, and how they use this knowledge today. It’s now in plain sight; we can see that the powers that be have used this knowledge to build their buildings, but they’ve kept that knowledge from us poor little minions. But anyway, that’s a topic for another day.

Douglas: Actually, I start people off every January, whether they’re beginners or more experienced in divining. It’s a course called the Keepers of the Time. We meet at Boswell’s Hotel, have a quick chat, get to know everybody, and after a little explanation about what they want to get out of divining, I then say, “Let’s go across to the Gold Horde in the National Museum.” I teach them about the artifacts there that are based on sacred geometry.

Jackie: Yeah. Indeed. And they’re power items as well, aren’t they?

Douglas: Yes, but there’s a bit of cosmology and astronomy involved as well. After that, we go to divine some of the doorways and passages in the actual museum, Leinster House, and the National Library. Because all of these buildings are built on these energy principles. It’s rather amusing for a group of us to go across the entrance into the Dáil car park with our dowsing rods wagging around, and the security guy is wondering, “What the hell is going on?”

Jackie: And then nobody looks at you like you’re a bunch of weirdos. I might have to do this in government buildings.

Douglas: Yeah. Well, you have to make the point. Then we go across to Molesworth Street, and we divine the energy. There’s a big water line coming up Molesworth Street, going through the gate of Dáil Éireann and then through the door into the old Lancaster House. The Masonic order has their head lodge on the northern side of the street, and there’s a huge water line that matches the width of the building.

Jackie: So, now the question I have—I don’t want to go too deep into this because we’re talking about water lines going into buildings—is: if you are living in a building and it’s using these water lines to increase its power, would sitting on those very same water lines have the same effect on us?

Douglas: It’s still something to be explored. I think what I might do is set up an event where we actually go around or close to some of the powerhouses in Dublin and try to understand that.

I’ll give you an example. I’m a Trinity graduate. I took a group down to the front gate, and we waited for the tourists to clear away. Then we went across the tarmac, and I showed them where the waterline was and how the actual edges of the entrance gate marked where the edges of the waterline were. If you go into college and look at the new paths—granite surfaced—they’re exactly on the water lines.

Jackie: Oh, that’s amazing.

Douglas: Somebody down in the estate’s office in college, who looks after all the buildings, knows this stuff.

Jackie: Yeah. And they’re probably using it.

Douglas: Yes. It’s like the building where I live. The architect definitely knew something because of the way the whole building is oriented. It’s a fascinating subject, isn’t it?

Jackie: Yeah. Fascinating.

Douglas: Yeah. And I guess we did a conference earlier in the year, I think it was in March, on Living Energies. There’s a friend of mine who has a property there. He has interesting structures in his garden. He’s been to the pyramids and he’s on a search for higher consciousness.

Jackie: This is the chap with the pyramids.

Douglas: Yeah. He’s got the pyramids and is searching for higher consciousness. He would be an interesting guy to talk to, wouldn’t he?

Jackie: Yeah.

Douglas: There’s a lot of us pursuing particular things, and they’re all, what I call, on the line of a spoke of a wheel going to the hub.

Jackie: Yeah. We’re all getting there bit by bit.

Douglas: Yes. We all have our own separate journeys, just as you’re calling this program “Scribing Journeys.”

Jackie: Scribing Journeys.

Douglas: We pick up things as we go along, and it has a pull on us. You have to give other things up to concentrate on the one thing that’s your journey.

Jackie: Yes. Indeed.

Douglas: So, that’s it. You know, I’ve followed people like Tesla and others who have been guided by cosmic intelligence. They come up with things that may seem weird but are fascinating.

Jackie: Did you know that he went to India and studied the Vedic scriptures?

Douglas: I think you’ve told me that before.

Jackie: I haven’t heard that. Yeah. Apparently so.

Douglas: Yeah. But, you know, in the water treatment business, I was introduced to a group of diviners some time ago—nearly 20 years ago. They knew about a particular type of water or method of treating water called Grander water, which uniquely uses water to treat water. The inventor of that, Johann Grander, lived in Austria. I know the family very well as a distributor for that company. He himself was an exceptional inventor and very connected to universal intelligence.

Jackie: Universal intelligence. That’s what it is, isn’t it? At the end of the day, it’s universal intelligence.

Douglas: Yeah. Well, we’re happy to encounter that in an earthly experience.

Jackie: Indeed.

Douglas: There are other people who have, you know, created different things. I’m not going to go through a list of them, but with the water side of things, I get asked— I was in Shell’s restaurant in Strand Hill last Sunday, talking to the manager about the fact that they don’t filter their water. They were giving me nice food, but the water tasted of chlorine. I said, “You’ve got to do something about that.”

So, switching over to water, if I’m looking for water lines in the ground, I have a particular interest in water. I’ve been in the water treatment business since 2000, specializing in legionella control. In doing that, we used magnets, which led me too Grander. Grander uses a water core magnet with very low magnetic strength, measured in Gauss.

Jackie: We will definitely talk about magnets and magnetic energy and how to use that for cleaning and treating water. People would be interested in learning more about that.

Douglas: Well, you had an experience when I gave you a magnetic bracelet.

Jackie: Yes, I did. But let’s not talk about that now.

Douglas: No, no. We’ll move on. For those interested in getting the best water, there’s a lot of equipment out there, and it can be quite confusing. There’s a lot of salesmanship that promises something but doesn’t always deliver.

I have a simple message for people. There are three stages in water treatment: clean, treat, and revitalize. Cleaning is done with filters to remove easy particle stuff or whatever it may be, including colloidal particles. Then you have hard water issues like limescale, iron, or manganese if you have a well. The final part, which people often don’t understand, is that water has to be pumped from point A to point B.

Douglas: And using a pump with an impeller—that is, blades or something like a kitchen blender—collapses water’s intelligence, immunity, and ability to self-clean. There hasn’t really been a device that can repair that damage. But that’s what I found with Grander. It restores or repairs the damage, making the water much more natural, smoother, and more pleasant to drink. It also has an impact on blood.

Jackie: Yes, indeed. And so, we’ll dive deeper into this because I’ve listened to a couple of shows here on the station where water has been discussed. I think it would be appreciated if we delved a bit deeper into water with you. Maybe, again, we could have this as a topic. It’s almost 8 o’clock now.

Douglas: Yeah, I realize that. But one thing I know you’d like to discuss, and I’m sure listeners would be interested in if they weren’t watching the opening of the Paralympics, is your particular interest in Masaru Emoto. I had the luck of meeting him in Kilkenny when he was on a European speaking trip. The two of us went out to the golf course the following morning, not to play golf, but so he could teach me and others how to perform a sacred blessing on a lake. I think you, being a calligrapher and dealing with words, have an interest in how words and voices can impact water.

Jackie: Now that you mention it, Douglas, how about for our next show, which will be in a fortnight on September 11th, my dad’s birthday? Woohoo! Well, he’s not with us anymore, but I still like to celebrate his birthday.

Douglas: That’s a good way to remember him.

Jackie: How about we talk about Masaru Emoto on September 11th? Would that be good?

Douglas: Wednesday week.

Jackie: Wednesday week. Yeah, September 11th. Alright. Does that sound good?

Douglas: Oh, yeah. More than happy to do that. He’s had an impact on you and on me, and I’m sure others would be interested in learning more about him.

Jackie: I think so. Definitely. Okay, thank you very much, Douglas. It was great for you to share your story with us. It’s almost 8 o’clock. So, unless Andy or Karen wants to say anything, I think we can wrap up. Oh, I didn’t give anyone a chance to speak. Does anybody want to say anything?

Andy: I’d just like to jump in and say well done to both of you. It’s been fascinating listening. I loved the subject matter. The hours passed quickly. I hope it did for you both as well. Thank you very much, and I’m looking forward to the next one.

Jackie: Thank you, Andy. Okay, thank you, Douglas. And thanks, Karen, for coming along.

Douglas: Thanks, Andy.

Andy: If you’re ready, I’ll stop the recording, but I won’t close the show; I’ll just stop the recording.

Jackie: Perfect.